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The Crossline Community Groups Podcast
The Crossline Community Groups Podcast is devoted to empowering leaders who lead church small groups, providing practical tips and biblical wisdom to cultivate authentic relationships and spiritual growth among fellow believers. Whether you're a seasoned leader or starting a small group for the first time, this podcast offers valuable resources to deepen your connection with God and others.
The Crossline Community Groups Podcast
How To Lead A Bible Study: A Conversation for Church Small Group Leaders
Small groups provide a unique space for communal growth, fostering deep relationships among participants. Through questions sourced from Reddit, we explore various experiences within small groups and how to enhance engagement, navigate challenges, and revive group dynamics.
• Importance of feeling connected in smaller vs. larger churches
• Couples navigating group participation together vs. separately
• Value of community and personal growth in small groups
• Suggestions for fostering relationships without formal ministries
• Differences between small groups and Bible study groups
• Strategies for addressing oversharing or imbalances in group discussions
• Ideas for revitalizing stagnant small group experiences through outreach and service
Well, hello everyone. Welcome to the Crossline Community Groups podcast. My name is Jordan Gash and I'm joined with another guest that I have to tell a quick little story about. This guy right next to me is actually a phenomenal man that works with me. He works kind of as my ministry assistant and does stuff with men's ministry and community groups and does so many other things at the church. But the funny part about it is his name is also Jordan. So this is Jordan and Jordan. That was the funniest kind of process, as I was interviewing a bunch of different people, I knew that he was the best and I'm like, hmm, I wonder if that's going to be problematic. And you know, it hasn't been problematic only until really about just like 30 seconds ago when we were asked to test our mics and we didn't really know what was going on. So this everyone is Jordan Morrison. Everybody say hi to my friend, jordan Morrison.
Speaker 2:Hey guys, happy to be here.
Speaker 1:Now Jordan is here because I've asked him to do a little task for me. We're going to have a fun session today where we're going to be looking at some Q&A. So we actually went to Reddit and we looked at, okay, what are the questions that people are asking on Reddit about Christian small groups? And there was a lot of them, and so Jordan has kind of looked through all of those questions and has thought of a couple different ones that he is going to ask me, and I have not heard these questions yet. So we're going to have some fun.
Speaker 1:But before we do that, jordan, I just want to say thank you to anyone that is here and listening, that is serving as a small group leader, as a small group pastor or maybe even a senior pastor that is trying to champion small groups in your church. I want to say thank you for what you're doing and just say you are impacting the kingdom with this thinking and this strategy and this process and these efforts to really try to bring community into your church. So good job. Well, what do you say, Jordan? Should we get right into it and ask some of these questions? I'm hoping I told Jordan. I said let's hit some of the kind of the normal ones, but maybe let's hit a couple that are very random, because did you find some very random ones on Reddit, jordan? Hit a couple that are very random, cause did you? Did you find some very random ones on on Reddit, jordan? I did.
Speaker 2:There's some awkward ones. We'll share those ones, that's okay, uh, but no, there's a lot of kind of controversial ones which it's really just going into the heart of the people and kind of you know, really capturing is like what is the thought process that our, our, uh, community members are going through, and just like really thought-provoking questions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and these can be questions that maybe small group leaders are asking about how to lead a small group, but I'd imagine most of the questions are how do people kind of interact with thinking about small groups or challenges or problems with small groups and I mean those are things that, as a small group pastor, I deal with on a pretty weekly basis of people having just kind of challenges, problems, issues and little snafus between people, and so we'll have some fun. So, jordan, let's kick it off. What is the first question that you have for me, and let's see if me and my many years of experience can answer for you.
Speaker 2:So this first one is actually pretty interesting. It comes from someone from a larger church, but they were curious because they were having problems connecting. The question was are larger or smaller churches better for getting involved in small groups?
Speaker 1:Are larger or smaller churches better for getting involved in small groups? Well, that is a that's an interesting question. I want to give some context for that, just to kind of point out. I'm going to answer the question, but I want to kind of point out two different scenarios that I've seen in a small and a big church. Now there was a church actually I'm going to give a shout out High Desert Church right, and it's in the high desert, and one of the things that they were phenomenal about was their emphasis on small groups. And I know that there's other churches that are great with that, like Saddleback and North Coast down in San Diego area. They all of them have phenomenal small group ministries. But they are all very, very large churches and I think what happens is the reason that they can be so effective in what they're doing and this is what I would say for larger church in general is the message of small groups and the much there's banners and ways to get involved. The leaders are out there, they're doing multiple different campaigns to really kind of promote small groups. If you are a large church and you want to have a strong, thriving small group ministry, that is something that needs to be communicated and shared and be very public in all the spaces of your church, because with all the programs and the things and the events that you do, small groups can kind of get lost in that. And what happens is, when people don't feel connected in those large churches, what happens is they leave. I know that because I've been at small churches and people come and they say well, I was at this big church but I didn't really get seen or I didn't really feel known. I felt like I was just a person in a giant sea of people and that's sad and I'm sad to hear that. But I do think that there's effective ways to do it.
Speaker 1:From a large church standpoint, now, I've also engaged with small churches. Now, the nice thing about small churches is and this is what I love about it also engaged with small churches. Now, the nice thing about small churches is and this is what I love about it when your church is small, you have less. You have less of a of a choice on who you do community with. Right, and that's actually a beautiful thing, because when you have less of a choice, it's like well, I want community, I desire community, and now this is the body that I've been placed in and I'm fellowshiping with, so I'm going to engage with all the ages and all the types and the different backgrounds, and actually what happens is, when you are put into those kinds of communities, I think that they can be extremely strong in what you discover about Christ, what you discover about the Bible, because you're not just surrounding yourself with a bunch of people that you like, you know or the people that are just like you, and when you have a large church with you know 50, 100, 300 small groups available, it's like, well, I can go to the menu and I can pick and choose. Well, I like these people and I don't like these people. And sometimes you pick and you're not really actually helping true growth by just picking everybody. That's the same. So that's one little opinion Now.
Speaker 1:So my answer, which is better? I would say it's probably, honestly, it's probably easier. It's easier. I don't know if it's better. I would say it's easier to get connected into community and to small groups in a smaller church than a larger church, because they're not as inundated with all the things you know, and small group ministry is simple and it's clear, um, as one of the kind of the primary offerings and primary ways that they do community within a small church. So if a small church is doing small group ministry, it usually is a very prominent part of what they're doing there. So that's what I would say. It probably easier in a small, smaller church.
Speaker 2:I kind of have like another question and kind of piggyback off that it's like let's say, you're at a bigger church. Which Crossline is a bigger church?
Speaker 1:right.
Speaker 2:Is they have all the things like you say. So if I'm let's call it a married man and I want to get plugged into a church, Well, you are a married man, I am.
Speaker 1:So there we go Right. So I don't even need to call it you just. I can call you that already, because that's what you are. So you are a merry man.
Speaker 2:With that being my situation right, which is a beautiful situation. My wife has things she wants to do. I have things I want to do. We do things together. Where do I actually get plugged in? Do I do a small group, by myself or with my wife? Do I only go to the men's gatherings? What do I do?
Speaker 1:See, that's great Jordan. What do I do? See, this is that's a. That's great Jordan, because and this is a challenge that we kind of run into even at Crossline and I think bigger churches in general kind of run into this Everything has value, right, and I wouldn't say a a men's only group or a women's only group or a young adults group or a seniors group or anything that's so hyper-focused type of group is not a small group.
Speaker 1:I mean, those are small groups and those are engaged, you know, and so you don't necessarily have to be. If you're a married couples, you don't have to be married couples in a group. You know to be a small group you can have. The women will go to their women's group, the men can go to their, their men's group and we did talk about this on a former podcast but, um, where do you want to get engaged?
Speaker 1:Um, I think the dynamic is different between small groups and men's and women's ministry. I think men's and women's ministry is a little bit more focused around more focused discipleship and intentional discipleship, targeted discipleship around. At least that's what we have at Crossline. When you're doing a men's group, you're focusing on men's topics and men's things, and how do you grow and develop in that as a disciple of Jesus? Now, small groups are about that, but I think the main focus of a small group is community and that's why you're bringing your whole family into that community. So our small group that we have personally, and all the small groups that we have, even if you are a married couple and you're in a couples group, it's just even more than just you and the couple, it's your whole family. Your whole family is a part of that community and you just don't necessarily get that in men's and women's.
Speaker 1:Um, I think men's and women's is is, again, it's a more compartmentalized to that, and I think community groups are a little bit more messy but it's a little bit more like true life on life. You know togetherness in that and I think that's what you have with small groups, and so it really just has to do with what you and your wife. I feel like they both have value. If you could do both, I would say both, but that's challenging for some people because they know schedule. But if you could do both, I think that'd be great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the things, all the things I like it. All the things, all the things. I like it. So this next question comes in. It's from a person just seeking advice what kept you going back to small groups? What was it about the group that was like, oh, I have to go back.
Speaker 1:This was so much fun. I think Friendships are great and connection is great, fun is great. All of those are elements, I think, of an important small group. Yeah, but I can have friends outside of small group, I can do hangouts, I can have a lot of those things I was just talking about outside of small group.
Speaker 1:I think the thing that makes you keep on coming back to small group is truly this idea of the sense that I am a better husband, I'm a better man of God, I'm a better husband, I'm a better man of God, I am a. I'm a better dad, I'm a better these things. I'm a follower of Jesus. Because of this small group and the ways that we share life. And I know that because, as I've been vulnerable and I've been open, you sense that sense of of camaraderie, that support, that speaking the truth into your life, and so I think when you experience that, that is truly what makes you keep on coming back to a small group. When you see miraculous power I think it's we've seen that in our small group too when you see your true miracles, when a whole group prays for somebody and like we had a scenario just where one of the people were completely proven to be infertile, right, and couldn't get pregnant and there's all the different things. And then we just had a night of prayer and just prayed, healing over her, and it was like two I don't know if it was like two weeks later it's two, three weeks, I mean she got pregnant and it was like by no means of anything else that they had tried. And when you have that type of catalyzing experience and community, it really brings you guys together and said we've experienced this together. So I think that's what makes you keep on.
Speaker 1:Coming back to a small group is really, really true feeling like I'm growing in Christ with my small group. So forget all that and I will say if you have really phenomenal appetizers or desserts or really good coffee, those are all good things. Yes, if I was on the fence and I needed a deciding factor, I would definitely go to food after Jesus. I'd be like, okay, jesus is good. Do I really like the rest of this group? And I'm like, okay, well, what do they serve for dessert? So like that's what I would go to.
Speaker 2:I love that. That's great. Okay, so here's another one. It's actually I'm assuming this is from a person that's in a smaller church.
Speaker 1:It's the question is for churches that have that don't have small groups, what does your church do to help foster those relationships? Yeah, I think so. To go to get all fancy right, I want to talk about koinonia, this Greek term I was talking about. You know the fellowship, this cooperative pursuit of Christ Small groups are. They're a form. You know, as you talk about functions and forms, you know of how things are done to really live out the theology and philosophy that you believe in. Right to be a local church, small groups, men's ministry, events, youth ministry they're all just forms. It's not necessarily the recipe for it and I think obviously the calling is to community. So you don't necessarily have to have it be through small groups or different things, but you do have to be dedicated to that sense of acts, to acts for type of community that's sharing with one another and committed to the teaching and to prayer, to breaking bread and to fellowship, like that's a mandate and that's what we're called to. So how do you do that in a small group that doesn't have small group ministry? Well, I would say you as a member can do a small group without your church having a small group ministry. Right, you know, I would almost say that it's even better Like small group ministry.
Speaker 1:Small group ministry can sometimes just make things a little bit convoluted, you know, a little bit more complicated. It's like, well, I'm hanging out with these people and we're talking about Jesus and we meet regularly and so do. Now I have to register the small group with the church. Do I have to actually make sure the small group pastor knows? Do I have to work with your curriculum and I have to do this? It's like when things just happen organically and are connected in small group ministry, that is the best way a small group ministry can happen, because it is truly the church just reaching out and desiring what God has placed in their heart, in that sense of of connection. So what can you do to that person that's asking the question Well, what can I do to get involved in how I get connected in small group ministry? If there's no small group ministry as well, just go do it yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen to this podcast. I'm giving you plenty of tips on how to lead a small group and do a small group. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to put a right on, I'm going to raise my hand and hopefully I don't get in trouble for this. You don't need your pastor's permission to do life with other people and talk about the Bible, right, and so go do it and engage in that. And then maybe what happens is your pastors take notice and say, well, wow, you actually started this small group. That's pretty cool. You know, maybe we could talk more about you helping us start other small groups and then you end up being a small group pastor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I love about Crossline too is like Crossline made a point with like just the leadership of, if you're doing the thing, crossline wants to come in and support that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I like it's the best thing to come alongside people that are doing the work of the ministry and supporting that. It's also part of church leadership, in my opinion, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I love it. I mean, a small group pastor in a small group ministry is functioning as a role to help equip the saints for the work of ministry. But if the works of ministry are already happening because people are taking initiative on their own, that's good news. Are taking initiative on their own, that's good news. And I would say, as you're kind of beginning to do that on your own, sharing that with your pastor or pastors if you have several, you know, imagine if you're a smaller church, you probably only have, you know, a couple but sharing that with your pastor and your elders and just about, hey, I'm doing this. I would love your prayers, I would love your support and I'm sure your pastors would love to come around you and support what you're doing and help guide you a little bit.
Speaker 2:That leads to this next question that this person had was what are the different types of small groups? Is a small group and a Bible study group the same thing? What are the differences?
Speaker 1:Yes, well, we at CrossFit call them community groups, so that just solves the problem. When you just call it a community group, it has a lot more range. To just for sure for it to be whatever it needs to, just groups happening within the community. Um, I would say bible study, bible study, bible study groups and small groups and cell groups and discipleship groups and community groups. Yes, I mean, they're all pretty much the same thing unless they're specifically defined by your church, right, right, and they're specific.
Speaker 1:Again going back to forms, right, and the way that group meets. You know, there's churches that I know have. They have discipleship groups, they have Bible study groups and they have fellowship groups, like I know that they have. Like big churches sometimes have multiple different types. There's such things. There's obviously here in Southern California there's a lot of people that do rooted groups, and rooted groups are kind of that first step in building a group and you don't really necessarily have a choice on who you get placed with. It's just anybody that's wants to, that's wants to be involved in community, and they learn the foundations of the faith. And then the hope is that out of that rooted group you start a small group. But sometimes people don't start it with those people, but they go off to other groups and so there's a lot of different types of pill, but it's all pretty much all pretty much the same thing, like I said, unless otherwise defined by your church.
Speaker 2:I like this next question.
Speaker 1:It's actually pretty funny.
Speaker 2:I kind of related to this a little bit too. I was surprised I'm like oh, this brings up memories.
Speaker 1:I know I was thinking I'm ready for a funny question because all this has been way too serious. I tried my small groups.
Speaker 2:I don't like it. Should I feel guilty for not liking my small groups at church?
Speaker 1:What do guilty for not liking my small groups at church? What do I do? Whoa, whoa. I have never heard a question ever like this. No, I mean, this is a. This is a very common scenario, right?
Speaker 1:um, that's great where people step into a small group and they you know what it's just not their favorite, right, they're just not vibing with the people and it is. It always makes for fun conversations because you have the people that are way too nice and they don't want to say anything, they don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, and they're like this. They're like should I feel bad? I don't know if I should go. And then they just what happens is they endure, right, and they just kind of go through it and not really connected to the people for weeks, months, and sometimes, I would say sometimes, when you just push through it, god can do something and change your heart. But I get it Like, if you're not really feeling that connection, here's what you need to do. You need to. You know what's that? I'm thinking of that.
Speaker 1:What's the old Aladdin reference, when the genie says here's the things, tell her the truth. No, we need to. You need to tell your brothers and sisters in Christ. You need to love them enough to be honest, right, and everybody's going to be happier that way, right, we have to not dance around people's feelings and just say listen, you know't know if it's going to be the best fit for us, and I would say you definitely need to check your heart in that too. Is it like, are you being hyper picky, that you're like you're only going to go with certain amounts of people, or are you honestly like you know what? I've given it a real shot, I've really opened my heart to try to connect with these people and I'm just not really having that connection and I think it's okay.
Speaker 1:It's okay to to admit that to yourself and it's okay to share that with you, with your group, and I would share with your group leader and allow the group leader to to kind of decide what's the next steps in that, um, but yeah, honesty is always the best policy, sometimes a little hard, um, but it's always best. It's kind of like those, you know, know, we talk about it here across line, you know what we need to. You know you need to throw, throw the fish on the table right and it's gonna. It's gonna flop around and it's gonna be awkward, it's gonna kind of it's gonna be wet and it's gonna get splashed and stuff like that, but eventually that fish is gonna die, right, yeah, and it'll be still and it will stay. And that might be a little bit of the situation that happens, where you just got to throw the fish on the table and be like okay, this is going to be a little awkward, we're going to talk about it, but in the end it's going to settle and we can continue to have a relationship together.
Speaker 2:To me, that kind of like pulls the relationship even more into, you know, just so much more depth too, right, and so it just opens the doors into, like, further conversations of you know. Ok, well, what does this look like? You know, what are you needing, like, and to have that conversation with your leader, it's like with me and Ashley Ashley's, my wife, of course, and so like with us, like we had that conversation with you know, hey, we haven't been a group in a while. We want to attend your group, you know, and it's going to be a little bit awkward for us, but, like, what does this look like? You know, how can we jump in?
Speaker 1:So you make a good point, jordan.
Speaker 1:I think this is, and this is a tip for small group leaders.
Speaker 1:I would say, if you're looking to onboard somebody that's new, that's going to be new, before you just throw them into your group, I would encourage you, as the leader, to to have a sit down conversation with them.
Speaker 1:Sit down conversation or have a conversation over the phone and just kind of walk it through of like what your group's all about, the type of people that are in the group.
Speaker 1:You know we talked about and we've talked about in the podcast before that it's important to have vision conversations with your small group, whether you what's going to be kind of the, the vibe and the feel and the and the direction of our, of the small group, and so you have an idea whether it's a you know, it's more of a social group that we're really looking for a connection and friendship and support through this season of life, or no, hey, we're a little bit more focused on really jumping into the Bible and we really want to study and we we pull in deep commentaries and so to give a little bit of the vibe of the group beforehand to allow that person to then make a decision before they even step into it, you know. So yeah, cause I think if you just invite them to come and they're realized in the moment that, like this isn't a fit, then it puts them in an awkward situation and you in an awkward situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have another good one.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:This one I can also relate to, but it's it's something that a lot of people relate to. How do you handle people that are oversharing or praying for, like extensively long times? Ooh yes.
Speaker 1:I know those people, I know a lot of these people I'm not going to share any names over the broadcast waves, but I know many of these people, many people would actually say. I would say that I probably have been accused of this, as it makes.
Speaker 2:I, you know I like praying right and I get in going and I like talking.
Speaker 1:I've learned, I've grown, I've developed, and all of that mainly because my wife kicks me and just says, okay, all right, wrap it up. But, babe, so okay, how do you have that conversation Again? I feel like you know what this whole Q&A session feels like such a great promotion for the Crossline Community Groups.
Speaker 1:podcast that talks about all of these different issues, these challenges that you may have, right, because we've talked about this as well. And then this is a leader issue. This is really needs to kind of start with that leader. The leader of the small group needs to recognize that now, recognize that maybe somebody's over talking or over praying and has that have to have that conversation and just kind of talk about the value of making sure that we make space for everybody to kind of hear. Again, being honest, being real and being realistic, I'm like hey, you know, love your heart for prayer, love that you want to engage, but we definitely just have to make sure that we have time for everybody to kind of like to hear, to participate and to speak. Um, and the leader can kind of also do a little bit and manage that a little bit in the moment while they're leading the group.
Speaker 1:Right, this is just being a good leader and having good leadership practices is, if you notice somebody that's really dominating the conversation or over praying, like you need to cut it off and be like hey, you know, joe Schmo Um I don't want to use a very specific name, I don't want to use a name Um, hey, joe Schmo Um, love your heart, love very specific name, I don't want to use a name. Hey, joe Schmo, love your heart, love things. Can we just? I want to hear from other people, right, can we just hear from other people and just kind of think, I love how much you want to share and stuff like that?
Speaker 1:And, joe Schmo, if they're talking a lot and speaking a lot, they're probably social people. They probably are going to be mature about it and be like, oh okay, yeah, no problem, and some of that they sometimes, most people that talk a lot, sometimes this guy right, they don't necessarily they don't realize that they're doing it right and so they need somebody that loves them and that is a brother or sister in Christ to point it out, or their spouse to point it out and say all right, love you, shut up. No, well, sometimes, you know, sometimes it gets that far yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's interesting. So this question we can kind of pivot a little bit. Don't tell your smogger members to shut up unless you have that kind of relationship.
Speaker 2:Some people don't, some people just kind of need it. Yeah, so this one comes from another leader.
Speaker 1:What are we looking at? I don't even. I see I'm having so much fun. I don't even know what the time is. Let's go like maybe one or two more questions.
Speaker 2:How about that Cool? I like this one. This one comes from a leader.
Speaker 1:What are we at GP? Gp 26 minutes, all right, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's go one more, one more question what do you have? What have you stuck in a home? Stuck in a home? They, they, they meet at a home. Okay, okay, they meet at a home. They're, they're small groups are getting a little bit still. It's just the same old, same old. What kind of volunteering activities or activities outside the home?
Speaker 1:can this leader do to get their group members more energized? Oh, that's good. Again, again something we're talking about and it probably goes, um, I would say, adding spice. I feel like we just we just did a whole podcast, I think, like two weeks, two, two podcasts ago or something that, talking about stale groups, um, and how to add spice back into kind of your group, to revitalize your group, um, and we talked about sharing, you know, jumping into community service projects, and I saw, I saw step number one about this is.
Speaker 1:Step number one is go talk to your pastors. Great, as a pastor, I could tell you we love to help people, right. We love to kind of point them in the right directions. We're not scary, we are very loving and excited to kind of participate. I don't know, at least maybe I don't feel like we at Crossline are scary, maybe you're a pastor scary, I don't really know but we're not scared, we want to help. So that'd be a great first question, bringing this question directly to your leaders and pastors, whether it's your outreach pastor or your missions pastor, or even your senior pastor or whoever your pastor is, your small group pastor, like, hey, we want to get engaged. There's something that we could do at the church. You know, if somebody asked me that question, I could point them to the food pantry that we have on campus. I can point them to outside kind of like service opportunities with, you know, youth clubs, and you know I can point them to Mexico house builds and so many different things that I can just stream off right off the bat. That would be great for a small group, and so I would say, talk to them. Well, um, there are moments that you as a small group leader need to just take initiative on that and you as a group need to figure that out, and maybe you're not going to get that help from the leadership. And I would say, have a conversation with the group and be a little bit creative. What specifically is it? What are you guys as a group really passionate about right now, collectively, as a group? Have you guys been talking so much about evangelism and like wanting to be more vocal about your faith?
Speaker 1:Well then, find something, find a service project that's focused around sharing your faith and challenging you in your faith. You know we did something in our small group where we went out in pairs of, you know, a four, right Two couples, and we went three different groups and we went to just different areas within the city with um, uh, food bags and homeless bags and just kind of, and a lot of different resources, resources from the church and we just drove around and said, hey, we're just going to ask the Lord to open our eyes to the people that we're going to talk to you, whether they're homeless or whether they're just kind of having a hard time. We see them in a challenging situation. And we just went around and we're like, hey, we're going to bring our families and we're going to have conversations about sharing that. And that was really cool because we all did it separately and then we all came back and we kind of shared about what God had done, and so that's, that's a scenario.
Speaker 1:Or maybe you guys are really focused around. You know, um, you know connecting with you know, maybe the, the, the life of the unborn, right, you know, or you're you know you guys want to focus on that. And, like, we have connections here with um, the pregnancy resource center, and they do a whole walk there and they do. There's ways to volunteer for the walk there's. They do a whole walk there and they do. There's ways to volunteer for the walk. There's ways to do the walk. That's something that you can do as a group. So you kind of kind of have to identify maybe what's a, what's a hot topic, what's a passion that you as a group have, um, and I would say, start looking there, because sometimes when you're like we need to do a service project and you kind of go out there and there's 50 different opportunities, it could be a little bit overwhelming. So maybe start with what's really a hot topic for you guys as a group first and have that conversation with your group and figure it out.
Speaker 2:So that's what I would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, hey, that was good, you know, and I and uh, that was good, Reddit had some. I brought some good ones, so I think we should do. We'll do this again, yeah.
Speaker 2:I like this. This is a good one.
Speaker 1:It's fun, all right. Well from Jordan, and Jordan we are going to sign off. As I said, in all these questions. I think every one of these questions has been answered in a podcast at some point. Right, and I want to not really to toot our own horn, but I do want to kind of just make a statement about really what this podcast serves to do, and it really serves to try to help equip the average person to lead right and and small group pastors too, but to really help them have the resources and tools and have a conversation or um, while they're listening in the car with themselves around, just like, okay, wow, oh, that's a good point. Maybe I can do that or maybe I can add this to it.
Speaker 1:So I you know I do this professionally, but I wouldn't call myself a pro, right, I'm still learning. I'm learning all the time. I'm learning best practices. I appreciate those that have gone before me. I appreciate those that are coming after me, the new small group leaders and pastors that I've interacted with that may not have been doing it as long as I have been doing, but sometimes they bring such fresh and great ideas, and so this is just kind of a place for you to come and listen and get, maybe, some prompting thoughts. Well, jordan, it's time to bless them and just say, hey, thank you guys so much for what you do. We want to bless you in the name of Jesus and pray that you would just be filled to the brim with all the knowledge and love that comes from the Lord, god, and that you would be given eyes to see and ears to hear where Jesus is leading you, into all the spaces and places that he's called you. So be blessed today, jordan. Any final words that you want to?
Speaker 2:say I mean, that was it. I love this conversation, love you guys. Thank you so much for just supporting, giving your time and just being invested in your people.
Speaker 1:Thanks, all right, see you guys, all right.